Visual Studio 2010 and .NET 4 Update

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• Fantastic. Can't wait for the full release!
  

• Everything has been running great for me so far. This build is already a point of no return for Azure developers.
  
  The "calming blue" theme was a great aesthetic choice :-)
  
  If I could pick one area to improve performance, it would be loading the ASP.NET designer.
  

• Good to see performance optimization as being a focus.
  

• Great decision, Scott! :-)
  

• Will it include an updated version of MVC2?
  
  Rich
  

• great news! it's better to move the launch than to have unhappy customers! it's really great to see, that you react to customer feedback!
  
  looking forward to the (hopefully well-performing) release candidate!
  
  regards
  

• This is what I was hoping to see. Thanks for listening.
  

• Took us 3 years after VS2005 to get off VS2003 and move past .NET 1.1. Take your time. Get it right. Its all good.
  

• Will this upcoming Release Candidate finally contain an updated or the latest ASP.NET MVC 2.0 RC as well (to replace the ASP.NET MVC 2 preview 2), so we can finally work with the latest MVC 2 release candidate on the same machine with VS 2010 (Currently this is a major bummer, that we must uninstall and use VS 2008, even though the technical issues are well described by Eilon Lipton and it sounds like there are simply not enough resources to maintain ASP.NET MVC 2.0 builds for both). If not, is this something we in the community can assist with to make up for the lack of resources? Sorry to bug about this again, like everyone else, but it is really holding things up, while we try and ramp up with .NET 4 and VS 2010...
  
  --Scott Wade
  
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  "Regarding Visual Studio 2010 and .NET 4 support, that is unfortunately not a feasible option. The most recent public release of VS2010 and .NET 4 is Beta 2. However, our internal builds of MVC 2 for VS2010 and .NET 4 depend on features that were available only after Beta 2. In other words, if we released what we have right now for VS2010 and .NET 4 then it wouldn't even run. The alternative would be for us to keep building a version of MVC 2 for VS2010 and .NET 4 Beta 2, but that was too much extra effort for a very small ASP.NET MVC team :("
  
  "Visual Studio 2010 Beta 2, which is the most recent public version of VS2010, contains ASP.NET MVC 2 Preview 2. The out-of-band standalone releases of ASP.NET MVC 2 for Visual Studio 2008 SP1 are not compatible with VS2010 and also cannot be installed on the same computer. For the time being you'll either have to pick whether you want to use VS2008 or VS2010 or you can use a virtual machine and run one inside the VM and one outside (or whatever). We realize that this is an unfortunate situation but once everything gets to its final release (VS2010, .NET 4, and ASP.NET MVC 2) they will all be compatible with each other and can be installed on the same computer."
  
  --Eilon Lipton
  

• I think this is a good decision. People will likely be using 2010 for at least the next three years after it's released so it is smart to delay it and release when people both internal and external are happy. It's great to see Microsoft continuing to put quality first.
  

• Are we going to have a Silverlight 4 .NET Go Live license with VS 2010 RC?
  

• It would be really great if the RC would be supported under Windows Azure. My team has made the jump to VS2010 and .NET 4.0, and we feel like we're standing outside the Azure party. Our organization would significantly benefit from Azure, and we are making infrastructure decisions today which just can't count on Azure supporting .NET 4 when it's time for our software to go into production.
  

• @Richard,
  
  >>>>>>>> Will it include an updated version of MVC2?
  
  Yes - it will include a newer version of ASP.NET MVC 2.
  
  Hope this helps,
  
  Scott
  

• @paulus,
  
  >>>>>>> Your post and that of Somasegar's are the same. Do you guys really write your own blogs?
  
  Actually they are different - both both about the same topic. I wrote the above post myself.
  
  Thanks,
  
  Scott
  

• @Miguel,
  
  >>>>>>>> Are we going to have a Silverlight 4 .NET Go Live license with VS 2010 RC?
  
  With Silverlight we tend not to have go-live licenses until it actually ships. We need to-do this because it is an Internet install based model and we don't want a beta with potential compatibility bugs flying around the Internet.
  
  Hope this helps,
  
  Scott
  

• @Scott,
  
  >>>>>>>> Will this upcoming Release Candidate finally contain an updated or the latest ASP.NET MVC 2.0 RC as well (to replace the ASP.NET MVC 2 preview 2), so we can finally work with the latest MVC 2 release candidate on the same machine with VS 2010 (Currently this is a major bummer, that we must uninstall and use VS 2008, even though the technical issues are well described by Eilon Lipton and it sounds like there are simply not enough resources to maintain ASP.NET MVC 2.0 builds for both). If not, is this something we in the community can assist with to make up for the lack of resources? Sorry to bug about this again, like everyone else, but it is really holding things up, while we try and ramp up with .NET 4 and VS 2010...
  
  Yes - the upcoming release candidate will have a new version of ASP.NET MVC 2.
  
  Hope this helps,
  
  Scott
  

• @Ryan,
  
  >>>>>>>> It would be really great if the RC would be supported under Windows Azure. My team has made the jump to VS2010 and .NET 4.0, and we feel like we're standing outside the Azure party. Our organization would significantly benefit from Azure, and we are making infrastructure decisions today which just can't count on Azure supporting .NET 4 when it's time for our software to go into production.
  
  We are working with the Azure folks right now to try and get .NET 4 installed on it as soon as possible. Unfortunately I don't have an exact ETA yet.
  
  Hope this helps,
  
  Scott
  

• I have been playing with VS2010 ASP.NET4 since the beta release.
  I really like some of the fetures like ClientIDMode , Response.Redirect Permanent ,SEO Techniques and advanced query extender support. But after installing VS2010 system performance has become significantly low. If performance is going to be improved that would be great news for the developers.
  

• Just launched two VS2010 Beta 2 sites in the last few days on production 2008 server, and so far so good. The Web deployment stuff is super awesome and worked out really well. The downside is that it's only available for WAPs, not WSPs. I ended up having to convert my Web Site Projects to WAPs to take advantage of IIS7 web deployment, which was a good thing in the end, but a bummer to have to do initially. Hopefully, web deployment will be available for both WAPs and WSPs in the near future... Overall, VS2010 is pretty sweet!
  

• I am very eager to install Rosario in my PC!
  

• Now that's what I call listening to your customers! Beta 2 is definitely not in shippping quality, very good call.
  
  
  

• I've seen "environmental" issues with VS2010 when compiling 32 and 64-bit native code: for some reason it insists in putting the path to the \bin folder in my platform sdk before all other paths, and I did not find a way to edit this in the projects settings, the paths looks "inherited". The result is that it is using the wrong tools and I cannot compile anything (I get TRK0002 errors). The only workaround I found was to rename my "C:\Program Files\Microsoft SDKs\Windows\v7.0\Bin" into something else, as I found no way to edit the "VC++ Directories".
  

• Please provide an option to lock all the docking and dragging around of windows and toolbars. 99% of the time, I end-up with floating pop-ups that I sometimes spends lot of time re-docking to their place just by accidentally double-clicking somewhere. On VS2008 double-clicking the caption sent the popup back where it was docked, but on 2010 it maximizes the window. This behavior may be great for some people but for me, setting up the environment is a 1-time job and all subsequent undockings are accidental. Please add an option to lock everything down, including all toolbars and everything that can possibly move.
  

• Since VS 2010 & .NET 4 Update is already released. I'm now still using VS2008 & .NETFrameWork 3.5. How can I get a copy of VS2010 for test?
  

• What is the estimated date for go-live silverlight 4 and its final version?
  

• Good idea. I have been seeing blog posts on some issues and requests to release another build before the RTM. Great to see that MS is listening to community more and more. Thanks Scott.
  

• Is there some more information about ASP.NET charting improvements?
  

• @Scott: How will the delay in final release (spoken of in Soma's blog) affect Azure people yearning to target 4.0 ... with heightened expectations for Feb/Mar timeframe? Should this affect them too? My desire is that it shouldn't have to if you already have a code freeze on the CLR itself.
  
  NOTE: I know you have already responded to a similar question (and don't know the ETA) but I am asking more in terms of if any ongoing plan to put 4.0 on Azure will be put on hold until the RC dust clears.
  

• @Tray > The Beta 2 build of Visual Studio 2010 is already better than the first RTM bits for 2005, IMO.
  
  I am completely okay with this and the opportunity to submit more feedback about the new batch of tools. I'm looking forward to the new MVC bits escpecially, specifically a deeper experience for tooling that I know is coming.
  
  FYI folks: downloading the beta is not the same as *participating* in the beta. Make sure you're in the forums, asking questions about the product and sending info to MS. I have submitted a couple of performace profile dumps to the team and they are super-responsive.
  
  A few weeks wait for a better product is a no-brainer for me, even more so because we get the interim build to tie us over.
  
  Cheers,
  -James
  

• Scott,
  
  Great job! I've been using 2010 for the past few months on small utility projects for inhouse development and I do say it's an amazing system. A lot of new features are quite amazing.
  
  The only thing I do wish is that there were some more administrative features on the TFS side - having to run queries / command line statements to get specific tasks done is a pain.
  
  There is one bug I keep seeing, is when my processor is heavily taxed, VS 2010 will load the Team Explorer source code window - even though that window is closed, which will sometimes bomb the app.
  

• Focus on performance = music to my ears :)
  

• When I used VS2010 for MicrosoftAjax4.0 developement, the intellisense is not showing the properties of Sys. For example: Sys.Application...,Sys.UI.DataView etc.,
  
  Can I expect the intellisense for MSAjax in rc.
  

• Wow, this is big news. I thought Mar was too agressive. But does this mean all those tickets we have that MS closed saying it was "too late" to address these issues might be reviewed again? We have some tickets from late 2008 that were just recently closed as not feasible to fix in 2010 due to time constraints.
  

• What does this mean for Silverlight 4?
  

• Good move. I am sure it will pay off. Way to fight the pressure.
  

• Scott,
  Good decision by Microsoft. VS.NET 2010 crashes very frequently when working with XAML and Silverlight. These deserve more justice in terms of performance and stability within VS.NET 2010!
  

• still downloading my copy :)
  

• All the hype about VS2010 is about Silverlight, ASP.NET MVC, WPF and MEF...
  I would like to know what is going on with mobile devices and compact framework:
  1) will there be .net CF 4.0 (if yes, when)?
  2) will the development for mobile device be supported in VS2010 (if yes, when - RC or RTM)?
  
  Thanks in advance,
  Alex
  

• Nice decision... better be late than unstable :)
  

• vs2010 is very nice!!
  

• I am sure this has been reported, so I won't annoy you with another email. Just in case though..
  
  I'd like to see Intellisense fixed in the markup of my views in MVC. I think the majority of people are still using WebForms for MVC, and we don't get intellisense against our model when the server-side markup is within double quotes.
  

• we are waiting for the VS2010 and .NET 4.0 :)
  

• We are currently in the transitioning to TFS and will start soon to migrate our existing code from Perforce to the TFS SCC. As this will take a long time (weeks, not days), we need a go-live path from Beta 2 over RC to RTM, without losing the imported data. Will this be possible?
  

• Good to know that the stability and reliability of the product comes first, and that release dates are secondary priority at Microsoft.
  

• Hi Scott,
  
  Are you planning to stretch out the release cycles between VS 2010 and future versions. Considering VS2010 will be released late the product wont be out long enough and you will have already rolled out VS2012. Its hard enough trying to keep up with the constant new releases and also trying to convince my boss to buy the latest products is a pain.
  
  Thanks
  

• Hi, it would be great if VS 2010 is released with lots of well tested software development toolkits/templates. This makes life lot easier for developers, than going for third party components and downloading templates from the web.
  
  Also, make sure you look into 32bit-64bit compatibility issues. I still find lots in framework 3.5. I rather call it as the "Bit Hell".
  

• Scott,
  
  Will Web Deployment Projects be supported?
  

• Awesome, great news. Will any of the RIA Services and Entity Framework 4 fixes be in this release too?
  

• The goal behind the Release Candidate is to get broad feedback on the readiness of the product. In order to ensure that we are able to receive and react to this feedback, we will also be moving the launch of Visual Studio 2010 and .NET 4 back a few weeks.
  

• beta 2 dont install any better than beta 1 did it still crashes when trying to install the help
  and getting help from microsoft is impossible you send them all the information they request then they forget about you and let you hang out to dry with a half installed version
  

• Will the FTP stuff work any better or quicker? Kinda sad stuff currently in VS2008 sp1
  

• These days Microsoft is working too hard, I hope they can handle this work pressure and I really love to see Final version of Visual Studio 2010 because it is quite different from previous versions.
  
  Thanks.
  

• Will VS2010 have automatic support for a solution with multiple web application projects? Currently you need to go through the tedious task of setting up IIS server override in the project file (setting the project url and then the overriding the root url) in order for the correct reference to user controls.
  

• Dear Scott,
  
  We just started [one month back] one new project using MVC 2 RC [using VS2008 SP1], but are facing lot of problems in doing the basic stuff which earlier was pieces of cake. Some of the issues we are facing:
  
  Handling Session [though we are doing but not sure the best way]
  Validation of controls while Updating records [its fine while insert]
  Validation [in Insert] for Optional Integer data type
  Multilingual [we were quite happy with simple resource files, but now not sure how to do]
  
  There are many sample projects on MVC 1 are available for learning, but nothing that we saw is for MVC 2. Will be great if you give some pointers to the one doing all basic stuff in MVC 2.
  
  Thanx & Regards,
  Deep
  
  
  

• The AdditionalIncludeDirectories bug is hampering my CI effort - do we know exactly when in Feb this RC is going to be released????
  
  This may disqualify Microsoft from the whole shooting match....
  

• Attribute 'Detect64BitPortabilityProblems' of 'VCCLCompilerTool' is not supported in this version and has been removed during conversion.">
  
  Has this problem been resolved in the Release Candidate?
  

• Also, make sure you look into 32bit-64bit compatibility issues. I still find lots in framework 3.5. I rather call it as the "Bit Hell".
  

• Will Silverlight 4 be included in VS 2010 RTM?
  

• @Anne
  
  Could you elaborate on the issue you are seeing with AdditionalIncludeDirectories? Please contact me at richap @ microsoft.com
  
  Thanks!
  

• Great, thanks for sharing.
  

• Dear Scott,
  
  I know the holidays are going on :-) but just wanted to inform that we have settled most of the issues, except for the "Validation of controls while Updating records [its fine while insert]"
  
  Still looking for some good sample project.
  
  Regards,
  Deep
  

• Here is an article on some of new features in asp.net 4.0
  
  http://www.codeproject.com/KB/aspnet/Whatis_New_ASP_Net_4.aspx
  

• Scott, it is great that you guys decided to spend more time on improving the performance of the Visual Studio 2010. I found some performance issues for example: Adding controls to the ToolBox from the Choose Items... menu is supper slow. It is important for us to have better performance than new features.
  

• Thanks for the update. Glad to know you are working on the performance issues. I'm anxious to get the RC. However, I wish you would release updates periodically to the beta testers, and after the official release for that matter. It stinks having to go 3-4 months without an update. If you fix a bunch of issues, and they are passed and closed internally, then push out an update so we can be current. I would love to see multiple branches available to the public e.g. current release, stable dev, unstable dev, etc. I know you have to careful and conservative, but a lot of us want to be on the bleeding edge.
  

• Great job ! Only two thing I would like to point here: first is the Multiple control selection in the web designer that still does not allow drag / copy / past of the entire selection. That is a huge productivity help, that is missing. Any plans to have it in the final release? Secondly is the documentation available as a separate download? because I could not get the installed one to work, getting MSHelpListener .net erros, changed the port to 81 but still not working properly.
  
  Thank you
  

• Hi,
  
  Thanks for the email, Scott. I entered a comment on Jan 6th and it is still not showing up ... what is happening?
  
  Thank you,
  Adrian
  

• Scott,
  One issue I am trying to solve with Silverlight is connecting to Help files (or their replacement). Can you advise how to deliver 'help' to users of Silverlight applications?
  
  Example: Could April Regan (MS Help Viewer) and the Silverlight Toolkit team discuss developing a Silverlight control for MS Help Viewer 1 files?
  
  thank you
  Thomas
  

• My VS 2010 Beta 2 experience with WPF + SQL Reporting applications has been 100% IDE crash when trying to compile GUI. I haven't enjoyed this at all. It would be good if you could allow so ability to join the nightly build (even periodically) to see if the stability issues are getting resolved.
  

• My boss I guess read somewhere that MS supports Beta 2 in that no major changes (just performance) will be made and somehow it's 100% safe to just go ahead and start using beta 2 in that the core API isn't going to be changed and there will be no issues to move from Beta to final deploy once it's out from MS? I don't know where he'd get such an assumption.
  

• My team has been using VS 2010 Beta 2 since its release and we don't have problems. At least no more than the other versions of VS. We are building a brand new product using this and it's been great. We have a team of eight(8) developers all running Win 7.
  

• The release candidate is required.
  Working with WPF freezes VS2010 beta 2 keeps freezing:
  in my situation it is mostly happens when VS2010 recieve the window focus after running the application - specificlly on windows 7 x64 ultimate. this does not happen in all machines and is probably related to some hardware configuration - My guess is that this happens more with quad core machines.
  
  VS2010 is really a road-stone in windows apps development.
  I just hope that the release date will be latened from 3.2010 to at least 5.2010 so the community feedbacks will be addressed and you guys can work it out in full.
  
  

• Hello Scott,
  
  Is it possible that the release candidate has more functionnalities than the beta ? Mainly in term of code generation and reverse engineering of UML design ?
  Does a Release Candidate has always the exact functionnalities of the beta with bug and performance issues fixed ?
  
  Thanks,
  Eric
  

• Hey Scott,
  
  VS 2010 seems to have excellent features, But there are something which needs attention. I have been using this for the past 1 month and I am kinda Ok with the way VS behaves, infact major issue with this is memory leak (I believe), Let it be I can avoid that. Some other flaws I faced are as follows.
  When you are doing something and, the application crashes.. (This is added in MS Connect with DMP file)
  The intelisense stops in between... (Existing bug in MS Connect)
  
  This was the case a week back.. I can ignore it since VS is in Beta..
  
  But now, The case is different. When I open an Existing XAML or create a new XAML user control (Silverlight application) VS Crashes even before it gets loaded.. I have added the .DMP file to MS Connect and I am just updating you regarding this issue
  
  Thanks a lot, We all will try together to release a very good VS 2010 final pdct..
  
  

• My team has been using VS 2010 Beta 2 since its release and we don't have problems. At least no more than the other versions of VS. We are building a brand new product using this and it's been great. We have a team of eight(8) developers all running Win 7.
  

• Any sign of the RC build yet? It's February......
  

• Last I heard, today was the day for the RC. Any news?
  
  Also, why is Microsoft being so tight lipped about Mobile Support in all their products. I can't find anything about when Sync Framewor 2.0 or Visual Studio 2010 will support smart devices anywere.
  

• Yes this is taking ages to download.
  

• Hi Scott.
  
  Can you please tell us, that RC support Silverlight 4 and WCF RIA Services ?
  
  Thanks.
  

• Hello,
  I have posted some VS 2010 Beta2 bugs in the MS forum (from annoying to performance to severe).
  Is there a newer release so that we can actually verify the changes implemented so far by the team?
  Keep up the good work.
  
  Thanks.
  

• I have absolutely loved the Beta 2 release and I am currently downloading the RC. I have high expectations!!